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This is a really useful guide but the reality I have found is that I simply don’t have the time to be present on Goodreads to the degree required. the unfortunate end result is that I am hardly there at all.
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Thank you Ciara for reading and commenting. I feel similarly — with writing and blogging (on two sites) and all my other writing gigs and social media and clients and kids and … who has time, right? I do appreciate Naomi’s breakdown though, and I will say that there are many authors who have really been able to connect with reviewers and book clubs in a meaningful way on GR.
Like anything, it’s a slow climb that doesn’t happen overnight. Relationship building, like anything else.
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As I said in the article, Ciara, even if you can take a half hour while you are drinking your coffee in the morning or watching tv, you will see movement. It really doesn’t take a whole lot.
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I refuse to do Goodreads due to the bullying and trolls I’ve heard about. Don’t need that in my life. Don’t forget Goodreads is now owned by Amazon, and they probably won’t pay much attention to inappropriate reviews any more than they do on Amazon itself. I’m finding the people who are the most successful, if it’s true they really are, seem to already have a good network in place and lots of support. And what I’m finding in a lot of groups, including Facebook, is that everything’s a “buddy system,” and if you’re not in the clique, you’re out. The people in these cliques buy each others books only. I’ve left all my Facebook groups due to all the “back-scratching.” I didn’t get much support there at all. I’d participated in group discussion, contributed, and surely didn’t go around flaunting my titles around. But again, the members would only buy from certain members or shout out their buddies. I’m trying to find other ways to sell my books. Plugging along seems to be all I can do now. All the book review/critique sites are “We’re not taking new books,” “We can’t guarantee we’ll read your book.” It goes on and on. Then the other book outlets have algorithms that favor traditionally published books and authors who are in their special programs. I blog, have a newsletter, have a FB badge, have Twitter. Other outlets to sell your book either cost a few hundred dollars, or you’ll have to jump through several hoops to participate. It gets difficult. I feel like I’m doing all I can do at the moment. Any many times I wonder if I’m not being forced to walk the path alone. I get what I get.
Reply Thanks Scarlet. I appreciate your take on it.
I asked Naomi to break down Goodreads into manageable chunks for those of us who DO want to get a better understanding of it. I’ve found it’s a slow process, to build these relationships, particularly with book clubs and reviewers. It’s really about discovering the best fit for us — which platforms we find most comfortable and useful, and where we can connect with readers. Each platform appeals to our sense differently. Once we find one or two that merges those, we’re good!
Reply Scarlet, did you read my post on Author CEO on understanding the psyche of the troll. You might find it of interest. Even with the horrible stuff, Goodreads is really the place to be to market your book. You have millions of readers at your beck and call.
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My experience is that Goodreads are a lot quicker to delete reviews and ban users than Amazon. If you follow the rules (as so beautifully explained above), you won’t have any trouble. If you whine about every critical review or spam your book in a group that doesn’t permit self-promotion …
FWIW, I’m not an author, just another 1% reviewer.
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The tribe mentality of human nature is like gravity. We can either curse it and fight it for preventing us from flying or we can seek to understand it, improve our ground game, and work toward our goals while resisting gravity’s constant pressure to keep us down. I’m a new author so I know it’s easy for new authors to be hyper-sensitive, but most of the time, what might look like a deliberate insult is just other people focusing on their lives and not really caring about a new author. It’s not about the author; it’s about their lives.
New authors often project their own insecurities on the actions of others. Of course, trolls are different and should simply be ignored unless they say something that is factually untrue. Then it’s usually important to set the public record straight. Otherwise, if they’re just spouting an opinion, that’s their constitutional right and there’s no point in getting upset or distracted by them. Life’s too short.
Reply Hi, Ferris. I agree with your points with the exception of trolls saying something factually untrue and setting the record straight — honestly, trolls will always say false nonsense. It’s their entire point of interaction. Attempting to correct it is often futile and a huge waste of time. With five books out and hundreds of online troll interactions and a few false ‘revenge’ reviews, I’ve experienced this.
Sadly, even reporting these nuts for abuse (e.g., using Amazon’s feature) does nothing, nor on social media. Been there, done that! Naomi and I experienced this with someone who came after me on Twitter and then changed her 5-star reviews on Goodreads to 1-stars. Naomi reported it and Goodreads did NOTHING (even though that violates their guidelines). Just another example.
Either new authors learn this themselves or simply move on and keep writing.
Reply Interesting and good points. It also depends on the type of attack. If somebody falsely accuses us of murder, pedo or some other heinous behavior, I don’t know many PR pros who would advise to ignore those accusations, especially if we hold important positions in corporations or government office.
Nevertheless, I think you’re right in most cases. It’s a hard lesson to learn for sure, but it becomes incrementally less impactful as an author’s online presence grows.
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I like Goodreads but I just find it so damn hard to use. Yesterday I couldn’t for the life of me figure out how to add a photo to my update box. I mean… come on. It’s 2014, I’ve been blogging for 14 years, I’m not a moron, but I cannot use this site. Turns out I had to add my own html. Again, I’m not an idiot. I did that (although we shouldn’t have to, like I said, it’s 2014) but then I had to adjust the photo dimensions and oh sweet LORD, no. Enough. I’ve also had people wanting to leave me a review on there, who can’t actually see how to do it. It’s just not very user-friendly. I prefer to network on Twitter. Plus, the trolls on Goodreads, as Scarlet says, are awful. I have a friend who’ s been reduced to tears by them and I’ve come close a couple times. I think it encourages bullying and a much younger crowd than Amazon – where people tend to be a little more discerning. That is all. (Can anyone help with the photo thing?!)
Reply To me, the trolls are what you make of them. Becky, I know you have seen the post I just wrote. Adjusting perceptions to them have worked for me. Plus, I have had just as many trolls on Twitter and in Facebook groups. Unfortunately, jackasses have a new pulpit…it is called social media and Goodreads is just a part of the social media platform. With potential sales to be made, I refuse to allow a troll to keep me away from getting information on my business or a potential book in the works for me.
Reply Thanks to both of you, Naomi and Rachel. Yes, I don’t want Naomi’s post to be hit with the “Down With Goodreads” business because even if you’re not looking at this platform alone, her advice is good to consider all across the board. I remember when my spouse and I got married in our church (which we’ve long since left), and the members were trying to get us involved. When we tried to get into groups or make suggestions, it all fell on deaf ears. A minister from another church suggested that many times new people hit members senses as strange and that they have to get comfortable with you before they’ll listen to what you say or before the start getting used to you being around. I takes patience. Unfortunately, I think I lack that virtue.
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Really good post! I was always so daunted by GoodReads. I have a profile, I review books, but I had no idea how to use it to gain readership. This guide has helped immensely and, while still a bit overwhelmed, I feel more prepared to dive in.
Reply As Rachel wants me to, we will go deeper in. Goodreads is really intimidating. I almost think it is more intimidating than all of the other social media platforms. There are just so many aspects to it.
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That indeed is an excellent guide which I’ve shared! I write romance, and I really believe that GR can help a romance writer network and connect with book bloggers and readers. The trick is: start early. I’m a working mother and have very little time to spend on social media. But I’m an avid reviewer, and I’ve been posting reviews on Goodreads for about a year, yet I’m not published. All the groups I’ve joined, all the discussions I’ve participated in are from the point of view of a reader. No hawking of my wares because, simply, I don’t have any 🙂 But when I publish my first novel in November (fingers crossed) I’ll be able to poke some mega bloggers on GR with whom I’ve connected and talked and maybe get them to review. I also take my own reviews really seriously. I try to make them readable and fun. They’re “branding” my writing skills, right? So I have clocked many hours on GR in the past year, but these are only groundwork. Will the basis be solid enough to support me as an author? Time will tell…
Reply For The Author CEO, I am in the process of writing a post that you might find of interest. It is on Navigating Book Blogger Databases which will help you to get those all important book reviews.
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I always loved Goodreads but then my life got crazy and I just didn’t have time to spend there. I am hoping–now that I’ve given up one of my “jobs” that it will create more time for interacting with people there. I still try to keep track of the books I’m reading there but I haven’t done a book give-away in ages. Sigh.
Reply You were one of the masters that I was talking about, Kathleen. You know how to interact within the groups. If you remember, I didn’t even know that you were an author when you first joined STB. As a result, the members developed a loyalty to you first as part of the group, which then carried over to your books.
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One thing I would add: there are groups that are built around allowing authors to share freebies/deals, etc. I find those somewhat helpful in getting the word out when those occasions come up with my books. But one of the best tools is the Goodreads giveaway, just for reaching sheer numbers of viewers. Another great tool is Listopia. I love going on there and listing books I loved in the appropriate categories…it gives those books/authors a boost and helps readers find them more quickly. Almost like a library classification system. 🙂 Thanks for the interesting post and the reminder I need to spend some more time on GR.
Reply Thanks for reading and sharing your insights, Heather. Listopia — I always forget about them! Great suggestion.
Reply Awesome ideas, Heather.
Just be careful with Listopia. I always recommend to authors never to place their own books on the list. By all means, if there are indies books that you love though…place away!
Reply Thanks, Naomi–I actually do place my books on some lists, but not the “Best of” ones…just more like categories such as “Appalachian fiction.” I really feel it helps readers find authors in a sea of books. But I know we all have different takes on these things! What’s spam to one author is marketing to another. I think we just have to know where we draw our own lines as far as what image we are trying to reflect.
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Great blog! About the only thing I’ve done on Goodreads is give away books – which has resulted in a couple of non-biased reviews. However I agree with other writers who have complained about the trolls. Nothing worse than a reader who fancies himself a literary critic! Maybe I’ll have to try harder! jan
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Thank you for this, Naomi, I’d very much like to participate more, and your wise words are an encouragement. My difficulty is that my reading is infrequent and slow, because of many other commitments. Also the thought of commenting on the work of other writers is intimidating, I understand something of what is means to write at all, let alone well, and therefore hesitate before saying anything, unless it be high praise.
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Great article. One thing I struggle with is the interaction part. Twitter seems entirely too big; Facebook, as you wrote, is too busy with everything else, so where do I start? Goodreads, which I very heavily underutilize seems the right place. I admit that I don’t have a ton of time to connect, to have conversations, to interact. I have a full-time job, then I’m writing, always writing, so when do I do the things that you and Rachel talk about? I’m learning, and I appreciate all the good ideas, advice and suggestions – figuring it out slowly.
Thanks,
Scott
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